Bud Austrene
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.30 18:18:00 -
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Diablo Ex wrote:
Honestly, what keeps me from PvP combat (even though I have done it on occasion) is simply the fact that I'm not interested.
I don't get a woody over the idea that I must amass a huge kill board to prove that I am a success. It does not inflate my ego one iota. When I do "PvP" it's because it is something to do, or it is necessary in order to accomplish some other goal. Going out in a combat ship to kill other players is IMHO very repulsive and moronic. It serves no higher purpose than getting a cheap thrill at another's expense. Seriously, I know that statement will offend some of you, that's fair... we are equally offended.
I served my time in RL Military, I've seen the elephant, and I know what it takes to achieve an objective. For me combat is a means to an end... it is NOT a cheap adrenaline pseudo-drug trip. I play EvE because it is a complex and challenging emersive game environment, as well as a social outlet. My toon (Diablo) is trained primarily to be a supporting role in combat, not a simpleton grunt with a gun trying to get his Epeen on. I hate with a passion these young kids nowdays with the "Bully" or "Thug" mentalities. They are a societal blight, not worth the brown stain in my shorts. It's too bad that they can't find a more meaningful purpose to their lives than simply ganking unwilling and peaceful highsec carebears just because they can...
I guess that makes me a "Real Life" BitterVet
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Ictineekey wrote:
much has been said about time ... time to train, time to prepare/fit your ship, and time to find an honorable opponent while dodging all the muggers
much has been said about the cost of losing your ship/fit/implants
the bottom line in my opinion is that it comes down to fair competition vice unfair competition - nobody likes to be on the receiving end of a mugging by some bully that thinks might makes right (and at the individual and gang level, when itGÇÖs non-consensual, that's all it is - a mugging)
I believe many more players would engage in individual/gang PvP if the mechanics existed to ensure a fair and competitive contest conducted in some organized fashion. I'm specifically excluding corps/alliances because of the wardec and tournament systems.
While there dozens of ways to do this, they all involve three things: 1) consent to engage in the contest; 2) some way to determine your chances of survival before you consent for decline the engagement; and 3) some minimum form of organization to the competitions. I don't care if you have a system of challenge lists, or arenas, or continual tournaments, or whatever - just organize it, instantly pop anybody who is not part of the competition assisting a competitor (i.e. remote repper), show competitors fits prior to consent, and agree to take part in the competition
There are few things better than the feeling you get after winning a tough but fair fight - there are few things more upsetting than getting your teeth kicked in because your opponent didn't fight fair - we don't stand for anarchy and roaming gangs mugging random people in RL - why should we stand for it in eve pvp?
If I was a Klingon I might say something like 'there is no honor in defeating a weakling, and only cowards pick fights with weaklings ... honorable combat, and the joy derived from it, comes from combat between equals or defeating a superior enemy after making the decision that losing everything you have is worth the attempt'
There is no value in being a suicide terrorist. And that is what most pvp in eve seems to be. There is no real sense of accompishment. Being a bully or being a bully's victim just seems dumb and pointless.
I am very competitive in every facet of my RL. I am very competitive in eve also.
My fun in eve is to survive and prosper in spite of being surrounded by terrorists that keep trying to entice me to come over to the dark side.
I to have done pvp in other games but eve pvp is just stupid.
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